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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:27:03
From and to Paul Figura.
To and from Felix Caterpillar
Subject: Anti or reverse speed, 4th dimension.




Paul Figura asked:
Has the thought of an ANTI-SPEED ever crossed your mind? It's very hard to explain, but in my mind I can see how it might work.
It's not time travel or even space travel as it is known, more like a movement to another dimension.
I would like to know your thoughts on this subject.



Felix Caterpillar reacted:
This is a thought that i had for some time too.
Speed is distance per time-unit, let's say 2 meter per second. Anti-speed should be -2 meter per second, which is the same as 2 meter per second but in the other direction. Nothing strange about that. In fact, there is another way to look to anti-speed and that is that the object that is moving with anti-speed, is not coming from its place. It is moving into a 4th dimension.
I found it not hard to imagine what this 4th dimension is. It is something that is reachable on every spot in the universe and you don't have to move through space to reach it. Also, there has to be 2 directions into this 4th dimension, going 'up' into this dimension and going 'down' into that dimension. I think the best way to describe it is that 'up' means exploding and 'down' means imploding. So there goes a line through every spot in the universe that connects the biggest and the smallest.
The universe that surrounds us is curved into this dimension. For instance: when we look deep into the universe with our telescopes, we see the universe in the past. In the past the universe was smaller then it is now. So no matter in what direction we look with our telescopes, we will only see one spot, that is the spot of the big bang. That spot is the furthest spot and the oldest one too. The closest spot and the youngest one is the consciousness of the observer.
So in a way consciousness is the frontwave of the big bang! The universe gets bigger and bigger because al these 'youngest spots' travel with anti-speed 'down' which is an implosion.
Thanks for your reaction, it got me inspired!



Paul Figura reacted:
>>The 4th dimension is something that is reachable on every spot in the universe and you don't have to move through space to reach it
Hmmm.. Yes, I had an idea like that too, the 4th dimension, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the up and down though. To me, I see it as all the dimensions that we have here, only all of them can be reached at any given point. One place from another doesn't exist here, because it's all the same place. And if we can find out how to enter this dimension, we can achieve instantaneous space travel. Or maybe even time travel. (although, I don't know too much, I'm just a 16 year old kid that gets way too interested in science).
>> no matter in what direction we look with our telescopes, we will only see one spot, that is the spot of the big bang
I never thought of it that way. Hmmmmm... If we could see that far back in space, wouldn't it be possible that we could actually SEE earth, or whatever earth could have been, just by looking far back into space?
>>Thanks for your reaction, it got me inspired!
No problem, and thanks yourself, you helped me better understand a question that has been plaguing me for years...
Also, About telekinetic force, I think that finally man is becoming more powerful himself without the help of his or her gadgets. And it's only a matter of time that learning to use the physical force of the brain will become as normal a step in life as learning to walk.
As for consequences, they are endless. Imagine if you can conjure up enough brainpower to conjure physical objects from light? or mould atoms to your desire? I believe that in the age where humans were developing they discovered these powers (thus the legends of magicians, shamans, etc.) but through the belief in gods, we stopped focusing on ourselves and started focusing on gods. And during this time we "forgot" how to use these "natural" powers.
One more thing, do you think that if we can somehow enter another dimension (any one) that, lets say, light would be something totally different? I think it would still exist, but as maybe it would be solid (for an easy example).
And FINALLY, one last, more personal question, I would like to know how long it took you to gain all this knowledge(you seem like quite an educated man).
And who the hell is in that picture entitled "the Master"?????



Felix Caterpillar reacted:
>> i'm just a 16 year old kid that gets way too interested in science
I'm a 30-year old kid that never stopped thinking about these subjects ever since i found a scientific book when I was 7 years old (that's why i think parents should not give their kids childish books with primary colours but instantly give them difficult books... even though they won't understand 80% of it. But that's an other subject).
I think it will be possible to travel through space using the 4th dimension, but I don't know if it will go quicker then in the normal 3-D way. It all depends how this universe is curved in the 4th dimension.
The best way to see it is to put everything one dimension lower. So: can you travel quicker in a 2-D world (like a piece of paper) by using 3-D (go up or down that paper)? If that paper isn't curved the answer is no. If the paper is curved the answer is yes: the shortest way to go from A to B is a straight line. If the piece of paper is curved, that straight line have to go through the 3-D world.
The same with our universe. Maybe it's possible to travel economical using 4-D, but only if the universe is curved in 4-D. Is it? Yes it is, because of gravity. Planets think they go in a straight line, but because space is curved, they go around in circles.
And time too is influenced by gravity, i don't know exactly how, but i do know time goes slower in a gravity-field or when you have speed.
>>wouldn't it be possible that we could actually SEE earth, or whatever earth could have been, just by looking far back into space?
I think so, because earth is in that spot like all matter of space is. But in those days earth didn't exist yet.
>>it's only a matter of time that learning to use the physical force of the brain will become as normal a step in life as learning to walk
I believe in telekinetic forces, partly because it has been proven. Man is capable in influencing coincidental processes (like throwing dice). It's not a big influence, but it's big enough to measure. That's why I think it must be possible too to move objects in a certain direction. An object is nothing more than a collection of atoms that move in all kind of directions in a coincidental way. You only need to establish a preference in a certain direction and the object will move.
>>light would be something totally different
Interesting. Light is energy. And in this universe light always has the same speed, namely 300,000 km/sec. Once I thought I had a genius thought: the universe is expanding with the speed of light. Could it be so that light has that speed BECAUSE the universe expands with this speed? So if the universe would expand slower or faster, the speed of light would change likewise. Than light would be nothing more than some kind of background where against the universe expands. Like a hole in the floor of a car. That hole is a light-particle. You can see the road through it with a certain speed and you say: that hole has that speed. But instead it's the car (the universe) that is having that speed. Light for itself is speedless, motionless, who knows solid when you could look to it OUTSIDE the car, so in a 4th dimension.
>>you seem like quite an educated man
I'm not educated more than most people are, but as i said in my whole life i've been interested in these things and you'll get educated anyway then.
>>And who the hell is in that picture entitled "the Master"?????
I can't tell you because it's a secret.
I want to have a page on my website that has a discussion-group about these subjects. Do you allow me to publish these emails on my site? Maybe it's the start off of more to come.



Paul Figura reacted:
>>If the piece of paper is curved, that straight line have to go through the 3-D world.
Yeah, what you said reminds me alot of the movie "Event Horizon". Did you ever see it?Anywayz, If you did, You'll understand what I'm getting into now...
In the movie, they made a space ship that did exactly what you said. instead of travelling through space, in a straight line to get where it's going, it bends space and passes through it to reach the other side. Now, In the movie when it came back from the other side, it was portrayed as "hell". What if, there is some truth in this? What if when we die, it's not a death, but more like a "birth" into the 4th dimension. If we travel to the 4th dimension by some sort of ship, or device, what would happen to US physically, mentally, or otherwise? That could be a very interesting thing to find out, if testing of such an experiment would happen in our lifetime.
>>Light for itself is speedless, motionless, who knows solid when you could look to it OUTSIDE the car, so in a 4th dimension.
Hmmmm. that's very interesting... I have a somewhat similar idea. I never really believed in the speed of light. First, lets say we use the classic example of making a space ship faster than light, then taking two big superchared structures and creating a wormhole. now, if you travel faster than the speed of light, enter the worm hole, and come back on earth, you have theoretically travelled through time. But, all that you've managed to beat was the speed of LIGHT not MATTER. Will you see things, but not be able to touch them, because they have already passed?
Will you be able to feel objects that cannot be seen? What do you think about this?
>>I've been interested in these things and you'll get educated anyway then.
Kind of like me... What really got me started was popular science magazine... That changed my life...
>>And who the hell is in that picture entitled "the Master"?????
>>I can't tell you because it's a secret.
Secret eh? Hmmmm.... Now I'm gonna have to try and figure THIS out. Great.



Felix Caterpillar reacted:
>>Yeah, what you said reminds me alot of the movie "Event Horizon". Did you ever see it?
Not yet.
>>instead of travelling through space, in a straight line to get where it's going, it bends space and passes through it to reach the other side.

Could space (or space-time) be bend so easily? Or have we just make use of the wrinkles in space that are there already? I think when we get to know gravity, we will be able to bend space. In a relativistic way, gravity is nothing more then curved space. But in a more traditional way, gravity must have its particles too. But it's strange that physics never really found anything like that.
>>Now, In the movie when it came back from the other side, it was portrayed as "hell". What if, there is some truth in this? What if when we die, it's not a death, but more like a "birth" into the 4th dimension.
Until I was 25, i had out-of-body experiences many times. Unfortunately I could never initiate these experiences myself, so I had to wait for them to come. It convinced me that consciousness can exist outside the body and that you can do observations too. I don't know if it was the 4th dimension, or a parallel universe. Most of the times everything looked the same as in real life. I think it was some kind of upper-layer of real life. The solid matter of objects was replaced by a more transparent energy-form.
I think everybody leaves his body during the night, most of the time without knowing it. I know it sounds crazy for anyone, and i understand people will only believe it when they have gone through it by themselves.
>>If we travel to the 4th dimension by some sort of ship, or device, what would happen to US physically, mentally, or otherwise?
I think you would get all kind of strange perceptions, but you're outlook and body will remain the same. For we are travelling through the 4th dimension already: it's everywhere. Only all objects around us are 3-D like ourselves. If we would meet a 4-D object, it would be an unbelievable experience (read the book The Fourth Dimension of Rudy Rucker). We would only see its 3-D section. It's like a 3-D ball entering a 2-D piece of paper. While it goes through the paper, the 2-D creatures on the paper will suddenly see a circle that becomes bigger and bigger, then again gets smaller and smaller until it disappears. They would have no notion of the real shape of the object they saw, just as we won't if we would see a ball hanging in the air that got bigger and bigger, then smaller and smaller until it would disappear.
>>I never really believed in the speed of light.
I'm tending to believe the speed of light is really a maximum speed, because I kind of trust Einstein and his ideas.
>>if you travel faster than the speed of light, enter the worm hole, and come back on earth, you have theoretically travelled through time.
I think when you could travel faster than light, time will turn around, so you will go back in time, because it's proven time slows down to zero when you enter the speed of light. It that's true you don't need a wormhole to do that for you. I don't like wormholes too much... you could easily come into a whole different universe. That is if you believe in parallel universes. I tend to do that, but I think it's an ugly theory.
>>But, all that you've managed to beat was the speed of LIGHT not MATTER.
I don't understand what you mean by that, could you explain for me?
>>Will you see things, but not be able to touch them, because they have already passed? Will you be able to feel objects that cannot be seen? What do you think about this?
That reminds me of an experiment I once did. I sat in a totally dark room with objects. I put the light on and i stared to the objects, so was not moving my eyes. Then i put the light off, still staring to these objects. Dark again, their images came back on my retina convincing me I could still see the objects. It was a special sensation when my hands could feel them too (because they were of course still there) but i couldn't see my hands touching them!
>>What really got me started was popular science magazine... That changed my life...
For me it was the book: were the Gods Astronauts of Erich von Däniken and later on the series Cosmos of Carl Sagan.
I'm glad you have found this interesting subject. It really lights up this material world.


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